I would hope my service would pick up a belt of that condition, as for citroen waiting until 60,000 i have my doubts that would last to that, breaking or placing debris in system.
My car has done 31,000 so will certainly check on a regular basis.
Eb2 engine timing belt
Yep I would keep an eye on it , I was really shocked to find the belt looking like this after only 39k , it's just crazy. I can only imagine all the people out there driving around oblivious to the condition of their cars timing belt and the engine damage it will cause if it shreds or breaks , I really think citroen should do more to remedy this problem ....
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Juan Sheet
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They have in the sense that they replaced the original shredding belts with a new design, and reduced timing belt replacement to 62.5k Miles / 6 year(s), then every 125k Miles / 12 year(s). Having said that, there are also some vehicles with EB2 engines that are being flagged up with after sales campaigns with mileage less than 62.5k miles for the belt to be replaced.
So it's possible that from the number of DIDs (Dealer Incidents) that are being fed back from vehicles with belts in poor condition, that they are recalling vehicles with certain engines before the recommended change interval before it becomes a major fail.
I think the whole idea of a belt-in-oil system is a disaster and has been adopted to shave a little off emissions. With everything getting smaller, more compact and running faster, they say there's a 30% friction reduction with a BIO system and that it's quieter and takes less space. It's all to do with meeting bl**dy EU regulations. But of course the downsides are breakup of belt material over time, so stringent servicing and frequent oil changes are critical to avoid build up of debris.
It's the one thing that put me off a petrol version when I was looking for my Aircross, so quite happy with my Diesel with 'dry belt'.
So it's possible that from the number of DIDs (Dealer Incidents) that are being fed back from vehicles with belts in poor condition, that they are recalling vehicles with certain engines before the recommended change interval before it becomes a major fail.
I think the whole idea of a belt-in-oil system is a disaster and has been adopted to shave a little off emissions. With everything getting smaller, more compact and running faster, they say there's a 30% friction reduction with a BIO system and that it's quieter and takes less space. It's all to do with meeting bl**dy EU regulations. But of course the downsides are breakup of belt material over time, so stringent servicing and frequent oil changes are critical to avoid build up of debris.
It's the one thing that put me off a petrol version when I was looking for my Aircross, so quite happy with my Diesel with 'dry belt'.
Not without its own problems Juan
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And for the petrol engine
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Juan Sheet
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If that site is anything to go by (it's a bit 'all over the place) and based in the US.... so won't rely 100% on its accuracy, along with some contradictory information it would appear.
My vehicle is before the December 2019 manufacturing date according to that site, mine being built Nov. 2019 and it's a Euro 6.2, not a 6.D or 6.3 as specified by that article. Mine does have the 7mm chain though, but there are at least 3 variants of this engine, so may not be relevant to me.
Mine is due for its annual service this month so will see what they say when I mention it.
There's always some issue on any car, but at least I made an informed decision on mine and stuck to Diesels which is what I'm happy with.
My vehicle is before the December 2019 manufacturing date according to that site, mine being built Nov. 2019 and it's a Euro 6.2, not a 6.D or 6.3 as specified by that article. Mine does have the 7mm chain though, but there are at least 3 variants of this engine, so may not be relevant to me.
Mine is due for its annual service this month so will see what they say when I mention it.
There's always some issue on any car, but at least I made an informed decision on mine and stuck to Diesels which is what I'm happy with.
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I've just checked my wife's C3 aircross. 2019 model, only 48K miles...and it's in similar condition. It's been sounding a bit "cammy" recently, it sounds like I can hear the belt straining. So I did an internet search and I'm rather shocked at my findings.
hence why i checked out my own belt.
I'm also getting an intermittent oil light check even though the oil is high enough. The car has only done 5000 miles since it's last Citroen dealer service. I informed them of the oil light warning and they saud "oh it's probably just the sensor".
I have to say, a cambet deteriation at less than 50K using only dealer servicing is pretty shocking. I'm concearned that the belt detritous has now further damaged the oil pump.
This is shockingly poor engineering.
My car was also supplied without a service book and was told at the pont of sale that "it's all electronic these days". Well, I've been to two dealers for servicing and neither can get me registed electronically.
This really smells like some kind of conspiracy to push liability and blame onto the customer.
My wife's previous car a very old C4 1.6 HDi, which was an astonishing well engineered car. However, I'm not sure I'd trust Citroen again as a brand after this car.
hence why i checked out my own belt.
I'm also getting an intermittent oil light check even though the oil is high enough. The car has only done 5000 miles since it's last Citroen dealer service. I informed them of the oil light warning and they saud "oh it's probably just the sensor".
I have to say, a cambet deteriation at less than 50K using only dealer servicing is pretty shocking. I'm concearned that the belt detritous has now further damaged the oil pump.
This is shockingly poor engineering.
My car was also supplied without a service book and was told at the pont of sale that "it's all electronic these days". Well, I've been to two dealers for servicing and neither can get me registed electronically.
This really smells like some kind of conspiracy to push liability and blame onto the customer.
My wife's previous car a very old C4 1.6 HDi, which was an astonishing well engineered car. However, I'm not sure I'd trust Citroen again as a brand after this car.
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Juan Sheet
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These require annual servicing and (depending on which engine variant of the EB2 you have), will likely need the wet timing belt changed at about 64k miles. So yes, these have a much lower initial change mileage than one may expect.
You should be able to inspect the condition of the belt and Citroen dealerships are supposed to check this at every yearly service for condition.
You should be able to inspect the condition of the belt and Citroen dealerships are supposed to check this at every yearly service for condition.
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I'm aware of the service intervals, however, look at this photo. This car was serviced less than 5000 mils ago by Warners in Gloucester using Citroen parts:
It also explains the intermittent oil warning light on the dashboard, when the oil level is fine. I reported this to Warners last service too.
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Juan Sheet
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Is this a Citroen Dealership?
The reason I ask is that belt is seriously bad and I'd get it back ASAP! What evidence do you have they actually changed the belt and secondly I would query whether they used the updated replacement belt / correct part number. I just can't see that being the condition of a 5000 mile used belt.
The reason I ask is that belt is seriously bad and I'd get it back ASAP! What evidence do you have they actually changed the belt and secondly I would query whether they used the updated replacement belt / correct part number. I just can't see that being the condition of a 5000 mile used belt.
