1.5 BlueHDi engine timing chain information.
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Citronizer
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Juan Sheet wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:44 am My understanding is that there is some extended warranty to cover this - I can't advise how long though as any intervention and good will gesture will depend on the service history, mileage and age of the vehicle. So again, make sure you have your vehicle serviced annually as a minimum or within the specified mileage limits, as all this will help should anything happen.
There have been very few incidents I am aware of so far, but as you say, Stellantis won't intervene with the replacement kit unless the problem becomes evident.
And for others asking here - all the 1.5 DV engines will be affected, except the most recent vehicles from late 2023 onwards that should have the 8mm chains fitted. So if you have a vehicle older than 2023, please don't ask me as you will have the older 7mm chain on this engine.
Hi sorry in advance if this model has been asked already. As the car is a 2023 plate it seem it's a grey area in terms of having a 7mm or 8mm which is why I desperately need to know. Peugeot 308 GT: VIN - VR3FBYHZTNY627243.
May be getting the car soon so need to urgently find this out. Help would be much appreciated!
Edit: just seen that the engine number is also - Q4EP0159326
May be getting the car soon so need to urgently find this out. Help would be much appreciated!
Edit: just seen that the engine number is also - Q4EP0159326
Bit of a long post! I haven't got an Aircross but have recently bought a Berlingo XL 1.5 HDi 2019 which I am certain will have the 7mm chain. I had been looking at issues with its particular engine after having been stung badly by a Grand Tourneo with gearbox problems that had to be returned via an awful procedure with the dealers, so was hoping things would not be repeating themselves with the Berlingo - now am not so sure! I joined this forum to get more info on the chain and have just finished trawling through 59 pages which took many days and hats off to Juan Sheet for posting the same reply many, many times!
Re. replacing the 7mm chain with a new one - this is what my Citroen dealer (where I bought the car) said: they do not supply 7mm chains any more so this cannot be done through main dealers. Also if you were planning on doing this yourself or by using a different garage, there is the risk that other components of the system may be wearing which you might not be aware of so a new 7mm chain may not necessarily help for long.
I then asked about pre-emptive work to change the 7mm chain for an 8mm one. They said, they will not do this work unless there is evidence of problems with the 7mm chain (ie, unusual noise). They will not do it even if you agree to pay for it for the same reasons - I expect this is due to parts supply and having to prioritise vehicles that need it. Finally I asked what the cost was - are you sitting down - around £4k inc. labour with a main dealer (well mine, anyway). It would be a lot less to someone who has the expertise to do it themselves AND can source the correct parts elsewhere. The service technician did say that he had only seen two vehicles in two years having needed this done - so maybe not as imminent an issue as might appear from reading stories online, when you think of the number of 1.5 HDi engines that must be out there pre 2023.
Fortunately I have full dealer service history, a long warranty and will be getting a further extended warranty so might be in a better position than some if things do go wrong. Which looks like I'll be needing as I already have a dreaded Adblue fault (but that's a whole different subject!). You would think (as I did) that buying a more recent car you would be buying into better technology and mechanics - but doesn't seem the case from what I've researched. Gone are the days of reliable diesel cars that might give you 250k plus trouble free miles - it seems to come with the territory of modern ICE vehicles that there will be some potential problem or other - be it wet belts, timing chain, Adblue or whatever, when manufacturers are under pressure to improve emissions/fuel consumption etc and often produce cars without comprehensive testing of systems.
It clearly IS an issue, but I think all you can do is make sure you have your car dealer serviced to the letter to try and minimise risks, take out a decent extended warranty and cross fingers. Or buy electric!
Re. replacing the 7mm chain with a new one - this is what my Citroen dealer (where I bought the car) said: they do not supply 7mm chains any more so this cannot be done through main dealers. Also if you were planning on doing this yourself or by using a different garage, there is the risk that other components of the system may be wearing which you might not be aware of so a new 7mm chain may not necessarily help for long.
I then asked about pre-emptive work to change the 7mm chain for an 8mm one. They said, they will not do this work unless there is evidence of problems with the 7mm chain (ie, unusual noise). They will not do it even if you agree to pay for it for the same reasons - I expect this is due to parts supply and having to prioritise vehicles that need it. Finally I asked what the cost was - are you sitting down - around £4k inc. labour with a main dealer (well mine, anyway). It would be a lot less to someone who has the expertise to do it themselves AND can source the correct parts elsewhere. The service technician did say that he had only seen two vehicles in two years having needed this done - so maybe not as imminent an issue as might appear from reading stories online, when you think of the number of 1.5 HDi engines that must be out there pre 2023.
Fortunately I have full dealer service history, a long warranty and will be getting a further extended warranty so might be in a better position than some if things do go wrong. Which looks like I'll be needing as I already have a dreaded Adblue fault (but that's a whole different subject!). You would think (as I did) that buying a more recent car you would be buying into better technology and mechanics - but doesn't seem the case from what I've researched. Gone are the days of reliable diesel cars that might give you 250k plus trouble free miles - it seems to come with the territory of modern ICE vehicles that there will be some potential problem or other - be it wet belts, timing chain, Adblue or whatever, when manufacturers are under pressure to improve emissions/fuel consumption etc and often produce cars without comprehensive testing of systems.
It clearly IS an issue, but I think all you can do is make sure you have your car dealer serviced to the letter to try and minimise risks, take out a decent extended warranty and cross fingers. Or buy electric!
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I had the issue with the wet belt on my C3 (may be a post above on it) after 63,000 miles with a replacement requirement at 64,000 miles. The car has been Citroen serviced on time and mileage, and I have maintained the Citroen warranty. No problem at all. I had already booked the car for a new belt 2 days after the issue, and was due to pay £519 for replacement. In the end the car was sorted in 2 days for £0. I know dealer servicing is expensive and so is the extended warranty, but I would strongly recommend keeping servicing rigorously carried out and to invest in the Citroen extended warranty if available. This must be taken out each year before the previous warrant expires.
Hi @Juan Sheet,
I bought my car Citroen C3 1.5BlueHDi in 2023
My VIN is VF7SXYHTUPT657970
On the door there is a Label with code 1708276 = built date 15 August 2023
In the original “service schedule” authorised engine oils is:
EM:00W20 B71 2010 – 00W20 B71 2010 (C5)
At the time of the first service October 2024 Citroen changed the “service schedule”
And now the authorised engine oils is:
EM:05W30 FPW9.55535/03 - 05W30 FPW9.55535/03
In the “Stellantis” after sales Bulletin: A/130/2024 01/02/2024 is written
Build code up to 16885 up to 31/1/2023 required oil 05W30 FPW9.55535/03
Build code from 16885 from 1/2/2023 required oil 00W20 B71 2010
I think that my car was built in August 2023 but if Citroen now suggest oil 05W30 FPW9
the Engine is an old one with 7 mm chain
Thanks
I bought my car Citroen C3 1.5BlueHDi in 2023
My VIN is VF7SXYHTUPT657970
On the door there is a Label with code 1708276 = built date 15 August 2023
In the original “service schedule” authorised engine oils is:
EM:00W20 B71 2010 – 00W20 B71 2010 (C5)
At the time of the first service October 2024 Citroen changed the “service schedule”
And now the authorised engine oils is:
EM:05W30 FPW9.55535/03 - 05W30 FPW9.55535/03
In the “Stellantis” after sales Bulletin: A/130/2024 01/02/2024 is written
Build code up to 16885 up to 31/1/2023 required oil 05W30 FPW9.55535/03
Build code from 16885 from 1/2/2023 required oil 00W20 B71 2010
I think that my car was built in August 2023 but if Citroen now suggest oil 05W30 FPW9
the Engine is an old one with 7 mm chain
Thanks
