1.5 BlueHDi engine timing chain information.

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Juan Sheet
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But it does include 6.2 engines....

Mine is a Euro 6.2 and is one of those affected. The Technical bulletins are marginally different for C3 and C5 Aircross vehicles, but also for other affected marques with this engine. It's why I'm not too convinced over the Euro standard element, but the build date as it's this that will determine when they fitted the modifications.

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Fair enough, didn't realise that 6.2 engines were affected on the c3 aircross.

That does make it really strange then by being affected on one model but not the other.

Wouldn't suprise me if this ends up being a recall at some point, hopefully before others get hit with repair costs due to the failure to do preventative repairs.
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As far as I'm aware Martyn, there is some extended warranty time on the engine of 5 years for this and a mileage limit, but I don't have the exact details to hand. But of course the issue then is supply and demand of this type of engine - parts etc. Given the ridiculous 2030 cut off in the UK of new ICE vehicles bar Hybrids. Utterly ridiculous.
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I don't know if you're a member of the UK C5 aircross Facebook page but a person with a 2020 C5 aircross had the offending chain snap and they were made to pay £2700 to have it fixed. Not a good move considering the issue but don't know the full information.

As for no new ICE's after 2030 I have a funny feeling that will be getting overturned with the ever increasing pressure on governments to adopt e-fuels. Citroen have done some work with Aramco and say their e-fuel can be used in 28 million of their current engines on the road.
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No, don't do Facebook Martyn, but agree that this 7 year thing is not going to happen.

Re the 2020 C5 Aircross. Without knowing the full story, I can only guess that it may not have had the requisite services done to the schedules. People need to watch as PSA have more or less shelved 2 year servicing - so it's now the max specified mileage or yearly servicing now. And of course not the usual oil change and filter malarkey. They'll expect the services (Minor / Intermediate or Major) to have been done and everything on the menu that needs to be done according to those schedules to have any chance of a warranty claim.

Of course it may be out of the 3 year warranty, poorly serviced and high mileage which could be why he had to pay for it.

I have extended warranty and will maintain that for as long as they invite me to renew it just in case and I have mine main dealer serviced regardless, so no comebacks.
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Juan Sheet wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:07 am @dliappis:

Hi guys, Deesy1212 - your vehicle has all of these technical bulletins listed under your VIN.

This is the situation we find ourselves in. I know Citroen can't do anything until any of the symptoms appear, so this may not happen for years - if at all. I think a lot of this will be down to how the engine is driven as to if or when the symptoms manifest themselves.
Thank you @Juan Sheet for the quick and helpful response.
I feel like this situation is like sitting on a ticking bomb (and Citroen can be very resourceful at refusing any goodwill gestures as I recently found with the AdBlue tank at 2.5yrs old and 49k kms). If I ask to have this chain change at my own expense, I wonder if Citroen can refuse it?

That said, looking at the parts list in viewtopic.php?p=7375#p7375, it looks like it would be expensive.
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Yes very expensive as there are a lot parts and of course the labour.

It's just something to keep an eye on and if you can I would get a Citroen extended Warranty.
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Juan Sheet wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:55 pm Yes very expensive as there are a lot parts and of course the labour.

It's just something to keep an eye on and if you can I would get a Citroen extended Warranty.
Yeah I am past warranty, and I can't have it extended further (I've asked). It'll be difficult to keep an eye (or ear!) on unless someone posts a video or audio clip of how it'd sound.
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Post by martyness »

I fully agree with you regarding the C5 aircross that was posted on Facebook, the person only gave bits of information and then you don't know the dealers side of the story.

This is one reason why i always get my car serviced and mot'd at a main dealer.

As for Citroen's servicing I've noticed they change it too when I was looking at service plans. Seems to be a intermediate, minor and major on a 3 year rotation compared to the major and minor every 2 years.
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Post by JaniB »

Hello,

I’ m new to this forum.
I have a Citroen Berlingo 1.5 Hdi
@Juan Sheet, could you also check my VIN number please.
VR7ECYHYCJJ851579
Thank you
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